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derrtyboy69 · Jun 21, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Adding mods adds value to the weapon, but it doesnt add up to what you spend on the mdos, thats why i never mod my weapons.

Yesterday, was sellin a 15>50 req 10 eternal bow, and some prick told me it was worth 10k because it didnt have sundering and 30 health. Dumbasses like this are what fuel the modding craze of the economy ATM.

Malice Black · Jun 21, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

noobs..kinda rule the game now

milias · Jun 21, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

this little debate will never be settled..

I'm afraid MB may be right about this.

*sigh*

Rain Knight · Jun 21, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

noobs..kinda rule the game now

cause perfect items are everywhere.....

Survival Rule nO.1

- play the way of the noobs.......

and you'll end up just fine

so derrtyboy, remember to mod it 20/20 +30hp and sell it for 450k-600k
trust me it works

The Herbalizer · Jun 21, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

clean white non max sword from ascalon + 30hp + 20/20 sunder = 100k at least

capitalist · Jun 21, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

noobs..kinda rule the game now

10k, k?

On topic: Nevaevaevaevaeva eva mod a weapon with the intent to raise the price. What acutally ends up happening is your decrease the size of your market, and thus decrease the number of bids, subsequently lowering the posibility of someone paying an outrageous price for your item.

Hemophiliac · Jun 21, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

clean white non max sword from ascalon + 30hp + 20/20 sunder = 100k at least

I BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kidding

I prefer to buy an unmodded item as most the time the mods are not what I prefer and the seller tends to jack the price up due to 'leet' mods which I and many could care less about. For that reason I sell items as is and do not mod them myself.

Rain Knight · Jun 21, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

clean white non max sword from ascalon + 30hp + 20/20 sunder = 100k at least

LMAO....90k ok? pm me IG

shadowfell · Jun 21, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Rain Knight

PCing is bout buyers and sellers...sellers decide the supply factor, and buyers decide the demand factor....so BOTH work mutually together
like i mention before, it is technically wrong to say that adding mods do not increases its value...THE FACT is for a seller, the amount you invest in the mods do not increase proportionately with the value of the weapon you're going to get...thus making it unprofitable...
as for a buyers point of view, on average, they prefer perfect mods as they buying a perfect one would cost less if they were to buy a clean one and mod it themselves..
i'll illustrate this concept...

Im interested in buying a req8 Brute 15%always -10ar... i value the item [email protected]
Bacon has a req8 15%always -10ar 20/20 +30hp..he wants them for 580k
Stu has a req8 15%always -10ar +20hp +1armor..he wants them for 550k
a 20/20sundering hilt cost 80k, a +30hp pommel cost 60k (market value)
if you were me...which would you buy...
if you were Stu would you mod the item perfect and sell it to me for 600k, which is the max i value the item at..

one thing to note is that, on average, buyers prefer modded items..
of course they're different buyers out there which prefer to mod them to their own liking for other purposes...these group of buyers are the ones who are not willing to pay extra for the mods..thus to this group, modding the weapon will not increase the value of the item..

But, I know I can get the mods cheaper than that, even. Some people think it's reasonable to pay 50-60k or more for a sword pommel of fortitude, while I do not. I will wait, and find one for 30-35k, like I always do. As for sundering, I never put sundering on anything except for bows, so why is it fair to me, to have to pay an additional 70k for a mod I would only replace anyhow? Just because the weapon is perfectly modded for you, doesn't mean its perfectly modded for me.

The general idea of the old guide before this discussion, was that it was accceptable to tack on half the value of a mod to a weapon when selling. But clearly, this wouldn't work for someone like me, who would already be paying less than the reported 'half-value' on my own.

P.S. Doesn't this belong in questions and answers?

milias · Jun 21, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

P.S. Doesn't this belong in questions and answers?

I'm of the inclination that it belongs here since it pertains to price checking specifically. But if more people think it belongs elsewhere, I'll certainly look into it.

The Herbalizer · Jun 21, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by milias

I'm of the inclination that it belongs here since it pertains to price checking specifically. But if more people think it belongs elsewhere, I'll certainly look into it.

well i was thinking possibly the screenshot forum but if not here would work.

i always sell mine under normal value as everyone seems to be spamming perf mods now. i remember when a +29 sword would sell for 30k, those were the days

StueyG · Jun 21, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

well as for not adding mods, I don't agree that it's best to never add them honestly, as for in the cases of hornbows... with built in sundering most people were wanting vamp on them, and it seriously helped me sell (added perfect vamp to a 14>50 mursaat, no one looked at before at like 60k, then after adding first offer for 100k was taken... and yes, I did go all over Tyria spamming it) This happened with another bow as it had the exact mods he wanted and got twice as much as they were selling for with 10k worth of mods... I know sometimes it's just finding that right player, but as Malice said it's a bunch of nubs (otherwise they wouldn't offer way more just cuz it has 30hp and 20/20 on it as happened to DB) ...

don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying to go throwing down 100k worth of mods on anything, but when ya spam something for awhile, then add a 5k mod and sell for considerably more than before.....

MasterPatricko · Jul 02, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

THE FIRST POINT
would you REALLY pay the same price for:

Clean Storm Bow 15^50%

and

Sundering Storm Bow of Fortitude
15^50% AP20% Health +30

the truth is, i would not buy/sell them for the same price. mods add value.

THE SECOND POINT
adding extra mods to a weapon is uneconomical. It adds value, but not the whole value of the mod.

for example of i added a fortitude mod to the clean storm bow, its value might only go up by like, i dunno, 15k, not the 30k value of the mod.

EXCEPTION: like StueyG mentioned above, if you add a mod to a weapon, you might be able to interest more nubs. If your item isnt selling, think about adding some mod you have lying about in your storage.

Summary
Mods add value to the weapon. However adding extra mods is not worth it.

As an semi-outsider i felt obligated to explain what I think to all you veterans.

wilderness · Jul 17, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Modding a desired weapon for sale is fine, as long as you're not adding a 20/20 or +30. A combination of anything under that won't come to more than 30k, (If you're paying sensible prices) you'll make your money back on those fine.

With 20/20 and +30s, I'd agree that they loose about 50% of their value once attached.

milias · Jul 17, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by wilderness

With 20/20 and +30s, I'd agree that they loose about 50% of their value once attached.

LoL, those are the only ones I ever put on mine, well, those and Vampiric

wilderness · Jul 17, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by milias

LoL, those are the only ones I ever put on mine, well, those and Vampiric

What about zealous, furious?? What about function over form?

EDIT by milias: Flaming is not allowed here.

lishi · Jul 17, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

about +5 armor is better then +30 , that is a opinion , i know against armor affected damage the +5 is better. but simple in pvp there is enough armor ignoring damage to make the +30 usefull as the +5 armor.

the best will be the switch but im lazy guy

anyway on most of item i buy i replace the sundering mod with a better one...

wilderness · Jul 17, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

A common misconception is that +health isn't as valuable as it's gone in one hit whereas a armor bonus stays with you. People don't realise the +health is added to the bottom of your health, not the top. I know this seems obvious, but you wouldn't believe how many people have told me the +health mod I'm selling is worthless because it's taken in one hit.

That final +health could be the only thing between a last second heal and eating dirt. But then of course, a +armor mod could have save you more than that

Also, +health is better against degens.

Idk, there are merits for both.

milias · Jul 17, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by wilderness

What about zealous, furious?? What about function over form?

Yes, I do use those also. But I'm a collector, so most of my weapons have Sundering/Fortitude because I don't ever plan on using them, I only collect them. The ones I actually use have Zealous/Vampirice/Defense or whatever on them.

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There's more to life than waving your d**k in the air, apparently.

This was uncalled for. Consider this your first warning.

wilderness · Jul 17, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by milias

Yes, I do use those also. But I'm a collector, so most of my weapons have Sundering/Fortitude because I don't ever plan on using them, I only collect them. The ones I actually use have Zealous/Vampirice/Defense or whatever on them.

This was uncalled for. Consider this your first warning.

You do realize I was joking with you? Maybe I should have put a '

' or something. Going along with the previous 'kick in the balls' playful banter of previous posts. I was poking fun at those of us who like to wave our 20/20 +30 swords about like we're so damn leet. It really wasn't intended as a flame. Sorry If I offended you.

Heh, I'm just the same, I put 20/20 and +30 on the swords I collect just because it looks badass ;p